Rural public schools at it again.

[chuck44]

Whitfield is a non catholic school that succeeds in soccer. Burroughs is anon catholic school that succceeds in soccer.

[KNVB]

i have not heard this proposal that the "rural" schools are proposing, so to me it is just rumor, & from what i have read on here, it has probably already spun in different directions

what ppl don't understand is that there are other sports than soccer....mshsaa is not going to start changing rules or classes for one sport to appease one small group....it would become a slippery slope, & mshsaa does not want that

as i said previous, i don't put much weight into this rumor...ad's, administrators & coaches have many more problems/concerns than winning a state title in soccer

as for the person that wrote to all the "mcc haters" ... i don't believe that most ppl hate the mcc....the only thing that i hate about the mcc is the parents & alumni's smugness on this board...if i want to go see quality hs soccer, i'll go watch a mcc matchup...many other schools in the area don't try to play soccer, or don't have the pitch to try & play soccer....but to read the parents & alumni post here with self praise is so over the top....newsflash: if your good, you don't have to tell everyone....they already know

[Sport Billy]

[Outsider]

soccerbill, are you really that shortsighted?

The small private schools already have to play schools larger in enrollment. A school like St. Dominic or Duchesne not only have the multiplier but have both male and female students. Having them compete against the likes of St. Joe would be about as fair as Cassville playing them.

We should just leave it all alone.

[soccerbill]

You still never answered the question, Why would it be so terrible if the private schools in soccer just played against each other??? You never fail to mention their superiority so why not just play each other. If competition is the only factor then none of the top players should even participate in hs soccer but instead should just play select year round. The real reason for HS soccer is to be able to play with your classmates and enjoy the experience. The fact is none of the State Champions could beat any of the top club area teams. Would it be so terrible to allow the public school kids to at least have the possibility to experience the feeling of playing in a final four even if the competition isn't top notch? I don't think so, if there is still the desire to compete against the public school teams or vice versa, then regular season games or in season tournaments could be scheduled. The fact is that many of the private schools currently have a cake walk to the final 4. I know that Incarnate Word /Normandy 15-0 games must have been a thriller for all of their fans last year.

[LFCfan]

the whole private vs public argument is stupid. If you have a private tournament and a public tournament, you dont really have a state champion. I mean look at Mehlville this year, who would of thought. O and look 2 PUBLIC schools in the final four. The year before that you had lafayette making the run to the finals. Stop complaining about the whole thing and deal with it.

[soccerbill]

[quote="LFCfan"]the whole private vs public argument is stupid. If you have a private tournament and a public tournament, you dont really have a state champion. I mean look at Mehlville this year, who would of thought. O and look 2 PUBLIC schools in the final four. The year before that you had lafayette making the run to the finals. Stop complaining about the whole thing and deal with it.[/quote]

The Boys have 3 state championships, are they meaningless? How would it be any different if there were a public and private championships? Football has 6 state championships, are they menaingless also? High school is supposed to be for the good of the kids, not to serve the ego's of some overboard parents.

[LFCfan]

but if you have 2 championships, how do you have a state champion. You would have 2 champions and if you just want the kids to have fun and dont care just play cyc soccer.

[no buddy]

the mulitplier didn't work. the schools it was trying to get to were the large schools already(Rockhurst, Desmet, SLUH, etc.). Those school and the like were being accused of influencing potential public school kids. Since the first attempt didn't work and only affected the middle sized privates, now they want to go after the small monsters(Whitfield, Burroughs, Pembrook Hill). What's the solution? Good luck with that one. My suggustion is to compare apples to apples and pit the schools with the same size demographic together and let them duke it out. To make private middle and small sized classes play up because they are coed is silly. The multiplier got the wrong schools. What they are discussing is blatent discrimination. No only are you private, you are also successful. Now, we can't have that going on. Please...

[Kickster]

[LFCfan]

I think that missouri should resort to what Indiana does for basketball and that is that you have one big tournament, that way everyone doesnt complain about the classes.

[Sport Billy]

[acmilan]

Soccerbill, you mention how Incarnate won 15-0 over Normandy. They didn't win state. If I remember correctly, Fort Zumwalt West won the girls state championship. And yes, THEY ARE A PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!!!

[Tab Ramos]

You're right acmilan, and two public schools were in the final four this year for boys soccer. Maybe we should do what the under-5 rec leagues do and give every player a trophy and medal. I'm so tired of hearing about this stuff. As a player I always wanted to play the private schools.

[soccerbill]

[quote="LFCfan"]I think that missouri should resort to what Indiana does for basketball and that is that you have one big tournament, that way everyone doesnt complain about the classes.[/quote]

You Hoosier memories are out dated, Indiana now has 4 classifications for basketball.

[Sport Billy]

[soccerbill]

I think for the most part all of you who complain about having separate championships for Public and Private schools are hipocrits. If the whole idea is to determine who is the best team then there should only be 1 classification for all sports , no matter the enrollment. After all the only thing you guys should be interested in is who is the best, anything else is meaningless. It's funny that I never hear you guys proposing that. The facts are however that you do want divisions but you just want them on your own terms.

[Sport Billy]

[soccerbill]

Your arrogance is amazing...Why are you the only one entitled to an opinion. As I stated earlier,you want divisions but only on your terms, and those terms being what is beneficial to the private schools.

[BAGGIO10]

soccerbill--so you are saying that the kids from public schools deserve a chance to experience the FEELING of winning state

Why should they deserve the chance more than private school kids.

If private schools get players with better talent, then obviously those players are harder workers than those that play for public schools.
(not all public school players)
If a player works extremely hard and him and his parents devote their time to soccer so he can be the best player he can be, then why should a player who just plays to play have the equal chance of winning a state championship.

Not to mention it's not like just because you go to a private school you are going to win state.

Also just wanted to add something about the public-private seperate championship deal:

I think someone might have said this but if i was on a public school team and won state I would be pissed if i didn't get to play the private state champ because i know all i would here from people is "you guys are lucky that they seperated public and private or you probably wouldn't be wearing that ring." As for the private school players that didn't win state i would be even more pissed off.

Lets just say they do what you want them to do--play against each other in the season or in a mid-season tournament, and lets say the private school beats them 6-0 in a season game....then they play in seperate state tournaments and the private school gets knocked out in sectionals, while the public school wins a state ring. You think that's fair? Do you think that those public school kids deserve it more than the more talented private school team?

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